Trilight, Oh to be young enough to be able to sit through an entire movie without having to get up to pee half way through. Even if the movie can be made to fit on 1 dvd-r, I still have to stop it somewhere in the middle. LOL. Seriously, I do understand your point. The journey is sometimes more rewarding than the destination. For me, it also is a hobby. From vcd to DVD2SVCD to DVD2DVDR to DVDXCopy to DVDSplit & DVDBurn I have them all and have used them all. The excitement was in the learning. Indeed very few movies are made in one year that even warrent watching, let alone buying or copying. I have to go now, you know what I mean?